A Note from Pastor Stacy

Greetings, Community!

The third chapter of Galatians speaks of a Christian hospitality and welcome that extends to all people no matter what label might be used to define them.  (I didn’t quote it, ‘cuz you should go look it up!)  It is this kind of open, caring, and engaging hospitality that our family has received as we have come to be a part of Community United Methodist Church here in Vincennes, Indiana.  We have been welcomed with flowers, cookies, sweet corn, visits, bread, sweet corn, BBQ, muffins, sweet corn, melons, ice cream, sweet corn, calls, rides, directions… Oh, and did I mention sweet corn?  (Actually it hasn’t been that much sweet corn, and my whole family loves it, so it’s really just a bonus! Telling the story like this though takes me back to why I started locking my car at church after a surprise car load of Zucchini I received when I served in Washington, Indiana!  Fun times!) 

Seriously, though, I am so pleased to be a part of the Community family, and I couldn’t have asked for a better welcome or a better asset in a congregation.  We can work together to grow and nurture almost anything to further our work of making disciples of Jesus Christ for the transformation of the world, but if we are lacking the basic Christian hospitality to which Galatians refers, our journey would be so much more challenging!  I look forward to our ministry together and seeing where God will lead us.  Hospitality is a great foundation upon which to build that future!

Here are a few tidbits about our family as we settle in, just some “getting to know you” facts:

Stacy is from Fairland, Indiana (SE of Indianapolis), but has lived in Bloomington, Washington, Bright, Fort Wayne and Hoagland (all in IN), as well as Boston MA, Pawtucket RI, Cumberland RI, and Alexandria VA.  Her favorite food is anything chocolate, especially if its ice cream.  She is looking forward to being back among the hills and nature of Southern Indiana.  (Her father is from French Lick and southern Indiana is “down home” to her.)

John is from Cincinnati, OH, although he has lived in St. Petersburg FL, Salem VA, New Richmond OH, Fort Wayne IN, and Hoagland IN.  He telecommutes from home for Lincoln Financial Group as an Expert Financial Processor.  He has been with LFG for 11 years this October, but before that was a deputy clerk of courts for Hamilton County Ohio.  John believes pasta should be its own food group, and is a devotee of Macaroni and Cheese. John is happy to live in a more urban setting than our last appointment.

Norah is 8 years old and will be in the third grade this fall.  She has learned from Mom the value of chocolate, but truthfully has not met a fruit or vegetable she doesn’t like (raw please), and is particularly fond of watermelon.  Norah enjoys LEGOs and nature and critters, but is also a bright reader and a good artist.

Bayleigh is 4 years old and will attend preschool at CUMC this fall.  She has learned from Dad the joy of Macaroni and Cheese, and she is not sure that anything other than apples and carrots should be allowed as food in the fruits and vegetables category.  Bayleigh loves playing with her babies and her Barbies, but outdoor adventures are good too, as long as she can wear a dress (all the better if it is pink, pretty, or sparkles).

Obviously John and I have moved around a bit, for Norah and Bayleigh this is their first new home in their memory.  So, thank you for the great job you have done in making the girls (and all of us really) feel like a natural part of your community and church family! 

See you in Church, Pastor Stacy



CUMC Sacred Space Summary


Summary of input from the small groups and individual responses

What did you tell us? (somewhat in order of # of times expressed)



More storage space


Music equipment

Seasonal items

Extra tables and chairs

Worship equipment (“hallway stuff”)

Storage in classrooms


More classroom space

Children’s classrooms

Multi-purpose children’s gathering/worship space

Additional adult classrooms

Possible expansion for weekday preschool rooms


Expanded chancel space



Redesign for more efficient layout

Additional storage



         Many ideas for expanded space, including a new building

Suggest reexamining after new updates to existing space



Paint & carpeting

HVAC & Electrical assessment



Safety and accessibility

Considerations for re-purposing or rearranging use of existing space.

Invite groups to “revisit” their suggestions and be more specific.

Plan not for the “present”, but future growth as well.



Update Ad Board and Congregation


Preliminary contact with “experts” (architect, financial feasibility, Ctr for Congregations)



Welcome Bishop Julius C. Trimble

The Committee on Episcopacy of the North Central Jurisdiction has announced the assignment of Bishop Julius C. Trimble to the Indiana Episcopal Area beginning September 1, 2016. Trimble will succeed Bishop Michael J. Coyner, who has served the Indiana Conference for the past 12 years. Trimble, who previously served as the resident bishop of the Iowa Area for the past eight years, was elected as Bishop in The United Methodist Church in 2008 from the East Ohio Conference. 

A native of Chicago, he was ordained deacon and elder in the Northern Illinois Conference where he served two churches before transferring to the East Ohio Conference. He served churches in the Cleveland, Ohio area and as District Superintendent of the Cleveland District (1996-2003). He received training in faith-based community organizing and served as President of WECAN (Westside-Eastside Communities Action Network) in Cleveland, a faith-based community organization addressing issues of safety, economic development and public education. 

A graduate of Illinois State University and Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary, he received his Doctor of Ministry degree from Ashland Theological Seminary. A strong advocate for social justice and increased attention to ministries addressing mental health issues, he has promoted ministries related to domestic violence and the role of the faith community. Bishop Trimble has worked with ecumenical leadership in Iowa in response to gun violence and immigration reform. He serves as Chairperson of the United Methodist Interagency Immigration Task Force. Before his election as a bishop, he served as Adjunct Instructor at United Methodist-related Baldwin-Wallace College in Berea, Ohio, where he taught courses on the African-American religious experience and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Married to Racelder Grandberry-Trimble, a professional counselor and graduate of Methodist Theological School of Ohio, they are the parents of three adult children: Cameron, Candiace and Julius Thomas. Bishop Trimble has preached throughout the United States and in Africa. He is the recipient of numerous awards, including the Bishop James S. Thomas Leadership Award presented by the Methodist Federation for Social Action of East Ohio. He was awarded the Iowa MFSA Social Action Award in June,  2015.  His mission statement is: “to encourage all people with the love of Jesus Christ to rise to their highest potential.”



"There's music in every child. The teacher's job is to find it and nurture it." - Frances Clark

Dear friends,

What an adventure it has been since my arrival in May! I have enjoyed getting to know many of you, and I look forward to continuing our ministry together. It is evident that this church is overflowing with talent, and I am blessed to be in the midst of such enthusiastic and loving people.

As we grow as a congregation, we must continually look for new ways to educate and inspire our young people. Many of us have fond memories of groups we participated in as children, and some of us can even pinpoint back to a specific mentor whose faithfulness inspired us to be followers of Christ. Can we not find a way to be that for our young people? We can all do different things; step out of your comfort zone and find a way to help! Here is what I am going to do:

Beginning on Sept 14, the music program will be embarking on an exciting new initiative: the CUMC Children’s Choir. This program will run from September to May, and will be based around equipping our children to be church music ministers. It is our responsibility and obligation to show the next generation how to use their musical talents in the church. Do you want to see your adult church choir continue to grow and your adult praise band continue to flourish? Friends, it begins with our young people, and this new program will be about developing a solid music education (reading music, vocal technique, etc...) so that each child can be a successful adult church musician one day. Our vision is that the children will be featured in worship often throughout the year. This will be a learning process for all of us involved; we covet your prayers and your support.

For answers to some questions I think you may have, please click here.

Ready to sign up? Please fill out this form online, or see Michael after worship:


Michael Ervin

Director of Music and Worship Arts

Answers to some questions you may have:

Why would we change what we already do so well? Isn’t our Christmas Pageant enough? It is important that our children learn how to be active participants in worship. If we expect our children to continue as music ministers once they are adults, we must teach them now what it means to serve God through music now; this must be much more than one performance a year. Though this initiative will change what we have been doing, our new way will be much more educational for the children involved, and will teach them that what we do is not centered around performance, but is an offering to God.

Will the children still sing on the Dec 23rd service? Yes, though the final product might be a little bit different.

What age groups are invited to join? Ages 4 and up.

When will the Children’s Choir rehearse? Sept 14-May 24, each Wednesday from 6-6:30pm. We will take breaks for appropriate holidays, which will be announced accordingly.

What type of music will the children be performing? A little bit of everything… It is our goal to build an appreciation for both instrumental and vocal music in contemporary and traditional settings. We will do whatever works best, and a little bit of everything. You might see us use handbells, percussion instruments, and very often you’ll see us singing and dancing.

Do you need parents to help? Yes. Yes. Yes. If you are interested in helping out, please contact Michael:

Can I donate money to the Children’s Choir? Yes. Sheet music is very expensive, and it is worth mentioning that our music library is not equipped with much repertoire that is appropriate for children year-round. The majority of what we have is Christmas music. Any gifts to help us get our library updated would be welcomed and appreciated.

Who is invited to be part of the choir? Any child willing to come to rehearsals, whether they attend church here or not. This is a ministry, not a performance troupe.




Hi Ho! HI Ho! It's off to Conference we go

Pastor Cheryl and CUMC’s Lay Member to Annual Conference, Dana Wyant, will be heading off to Annual Conference in Indianapolis (June 8-11)and attending this annual gathering of lay and clergy delegates from nearly 1200 United Methodist churches in the state of Indiana. As United Methodists, we come together to worship, learn, conduct the business of the state-wide annual conference and its ministries, to fellowship, commission and ordain new clergy members, and to remember clergy who have died or retired… In a word--to stay connected in God’s work!

 At annual conference there are to be an equal number of lay and clergy delegates. Since our retired clergy are not serving churches, there will also be “equalizing delegates”, which are lay people who volunteer to come as delegates to “equalize” the count for retired clergy. CUMC’s own Bruce Brown will also be attending as an “equalizing” delegate from our Southwest District. Annual Conference is a great opportunity to get a bigger vision of the fruitful ministry in which all of our United Methodist churches are engaged. It will also be a time to celebrate Bishop Mike Coyner’s ministry with us as he retires the end of August. Lay and clergy delegates from the conferences in the North Central Jurisdiction of The UMC (Dakotas, Detroit, East Ohio, Illinois Great Rivers, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Northern Illinois, West Michigan, West Ohio and Wisconsin) will meet July 13-16 in Peoria, Illinois to elect new bishops for our jurisdiction. The new Indiana Bishop will begin his or her ministry with us in September, 2016. You are invited to be in prayer for Pastor Cheryl, Dana and Bruce as they represent CUMC at Annual Conference and for the work of the Jurisdictional Conference in July as they elect our new bishop!




A note from Pastor Cheryl

Here’s a riddle: What do you get when you put together an adult volunteer with bruises from paint ball, 300 high school students praising Jesus to great music, joys and hurts cared for in a safe surrounding, tube riding behind a speed boat, 5 ½ hour van rides one way, lives changed by Jesus in the beauty of God’s wonderful creation and a generous, supportive church? What you have is the CUMC high school youth group and a team of great adult volunteers who headed to “That Thing” summer youth camp at Epworth Forest Retreat and Conference Center on the shores of beautiful Lake Webster (June 28-July 3, 2015). I had the joy of driving the church van up to Epworth Forest at the end of the week to bring kids and luggage back home. My plan was to chat with the kids a bit to hear how things were going, but they were so busy with activities and worship on Thursday and then sound asleep for the trip home on Friday that I didn’t really get a chance to chat. But I sent out an email and asked them to share their experience with me. Wow! What responses I got. You are invited to click on “Read More” below and read about how life-changing summer church camp was. Another riddle: How did it all happen? Answer: Your prayers and your generosity to support this ministry! Thank you!

From Alison McDowell (CUMC junior attending Epworth Forest camp):

“Camp has always just been my go-to week for the summer.  I can always come away with new things and a greater love for Christ.  Epworth has become a home away from home for me.  I could spend three weeks there without coming home.  It’s a sanctuary for not only me, but a lot of kids.  I couldn’t ask for a better opportunity provided for me and my fellow youth by our church.  I’m truly blessed and I am so overwhelmed with Christ’s love and the amazing things he has done and will do for me.”


From Galen and Sonnie Clodfelter (adult volunteers):

“I think Worship and Cabin Devotions were our most meaningful activities of camp.  The speaker was great and videos were intense and appropriate for all ages.  Campers and adults were very moved by the music…  The campers were very open and participated in all of our Cabin Devotions.  God’s presence was felt especially during these devotion times.


We were very impressed with all the youth and how they loved and helped each other during devotions, games and free times.  Camp is something we will always remember because of the worship aspect and interaction with our youth.  It keeps us young.”


From Jason Collins (CUMC Youth Director):

“My favorite part of camp was being able to worship in the old barn and watching the kids lift up their hands in worship to God! I could see (the presence of God) during the worship service.  Instead of hanging back in their seats, they all went to the front by the band in order to sing and praise!  This camp experience definitely changed me.  I loved being able to spend some great time with the youth of our church and see the hearts that they have for God and the love that they have for each other.  It offered me some pretty big challenges in my own life.  I definitely thank them for it!


I was only able to attend two worship services and spend one night with the kids, but just listening to their stories and how God moves in their lives challenged my faith and I believe the experience will also challenge the faith of anyone who would join them on a trip… I am already planning our week to Epworth next year and have been challenged to see if we can recruit more kids to join us!


Rockie Thacker (adult volunteer):

What was your favorite part of camp?  “Sharing time with our awesome youth and being made to feel a part of their group.”

Where/When did you sense the presence of God at camp?  “During the services watching 300 or more youth praising our Lord and Savior.”

How did participating in “That Thing” summer camp at Epworth Forest change you?  “Seeing the youth of our church take the leadership role in volunteering to pray at meals and during our evening chats.  Their strong conviction to the Christian way of life has made me take a long look at myself.  The Youth of CUMC are awesome and are to be commended for the way they presented themselves at camp.


From Stephanie Franklin (adult volunteer):

My favorite part of camp is worship.  I really enjoyed the speaker.  He really connected with the youth when he spoke about their Christian walk and encouraged them to be intentional in who they are.  He also challenged them to stand up for social justice and to be disciples for Christ… And then there is the music!  It is so awesome to see 300 high school students dancing and raising their arms to praise God.


There is something so special about Epworth Forest, that I felt wrapped in God’s arms for much of the week.  I felt him at worship and during evening cabin devotionals, and whenever I would walk on the grounds, or just sit and enjoy the beauty of the lake.  I watched him touch the hearts of teens as they committed to him for the first time or recommitted themselves to him, and as they opened up and shared their struggles in the past and hopes for the future with each other.  He was there, taking this diverse group of young people, wrapping them in his loving arms and making our group a “family” in just five days.


There are so many reasons youth should participate in camp…  They learn about themselves as they face challenges on the high ropes course and during other activities in a loving and supportive environment.  They are challenged to do more in a world that is hurting, and those youth at camp who are hurting are able to feel save and loved while they learn about Jesus and all that he offers them.  And they have fun!  Camp is full of activities to appeal to a broad range of youth, and offers opportunities to try new things in a place that is always encouraging to all.


As an adult leader, I have made friendships with wonderful volunteers, and been able to get to know and mentor young people who are the future of our country and the Church.  I have laughed, cried and prayed with them as they share their stories.  So many of these kids are facing heart-breaking challenges and are dealing with low self-esteem.  Camp is a place where they learn how much God loves them and how special they are…

To put it simply, the kids I worked with at camp have my heart.  It was an amazing week and I hope to go back!  I am so thankful to our congregation for their generous financial support and commitment to camp.





A Note from Pastor Cheryl....

Friends, we are all aware of the news that has come out concerning the ruling by the Supreme Court concerning same-sex marriage. Several church members have emailed me information that has been on the internet with suggestions that the church should protect itself with “a clear statement of faith regarding human sexuality and marriage.” I offered a response to them and feel it appropriate to share my response more broadly:
As a United Methodist congregation, you might find it helpful to take a look at our Indiana United Methodist Bishop Mike Coyner’s response to this court ruling as our Indiana Bishop.  He reminds all of us that “This decision is about equal civil rights, it is not about a religious ceremony or about the religious teachings regarding the meaning of marriage. Our United Methodist Church was the first denomination to advocate for equal civil rights for gay and lesbian persons when we added that statement into our Social Principles in 1972.” (The Social Principles are contained in our Book of Discipline.) On the other hand, the decision by SCOTUS in no way changes The United Methodist Church’s position on this issue, nor does it change our disciplinary policy on weddings in our church. Our church is guided by the Book of Discipline and only our United Methodist General Conference (which meets once every four years and will meet again in 2016) is allowed to speak on behalf of The United Methodist Church. Therefore, Community United Methodist Church and its pastors would not be permitted to establish our own statement of faith and sexuality. We are already governed by the Book of Discipline, and Bishop Mike speaks to the guidelines contained therein in his E-pistle

At the same time, we – as a local church and also as part of the larger Church – will have to wrestle with the fact that people of faith do hold different positions on a variety of topics and offer differing opinions that come from different interpretations of scripture — grounded in our own traditions, experiences and reason. All of us have some passages of the Bible to which we cling strongly and literally, and all of us have passages to which we no longer adhere or for which we claim some interpretive freedom. There are those in our congregation that decry the ruling of the Supreme Court and those in our congregation that celebrate it. So how do we live and worship and praise God together? That will be the challenge in all United Methodist congregations as we move forward and as we watch our delegates to the United Methodist General Conference gather May 10-20, 2016 in Portland, Oregon, where part of their task will be to wrestle with petitions to change our Book of Discipline on this issue.
Again, I hope you will take a look at Bishop Mike’s remarks, which I think you will find helpful and relatively balanced.  Continue to keep our church, our bishop and our delegates to General Conference in prayer in the days, weeks and months to come.
Blessings, Pastor Cheryl



A Note from Ray...

Sometime ago someone asked me what my expectations were for the future of CUMC. This is at least an attempt at my response. In 10 to 15 years from now, or whenever I am on the other side of this life, I would like to look back and see a church that is alive and well, serving and caring for each other and spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ in Vincennes and surrounding area. That is a simple general answer to expectations and you are probably thinking, well yes, but how do we get there? My experience over the last nearly 50 years of church life, in worship in Sunday School, in Bible Study, attending seminars, taking classes, reading books on church growth, hearing many sermons, listening to good church leaders, praying about it and so on is that there is no easy formula. There is no DO THIS or DO THAT that will make us successful!
A few years ago I was channel surfing and I came across a group of Catholic Theologians discussing what they needed to do to make the church successful. After hearing from two or three of them sharing what they had experienced in their ministries that made them successful, one Theologian, a lady said "You know God didn't call us to be successful, He called us to serve." Wow!  I've thought of that often as we have looked for programs, ideas, and formulas that would help us grow, look good, be attractive and dynamic. You know it's not about what we do as much as it is about how much we care.  It's not about how great our programs are, as it is about who we are. It is not about me, it's not about you, it is about us-you and I together-The Body of Christ. Our change the world slogan was "Don't just go to church, Be the church". We must live the life, trying our best to be what Jesus is calling us to be.  Loving God, loving each other and others. 
Worship should always be a central focus of our lives.  To come to church to worship God, be in fellowship with one another and go forth to serve. What's on our mind when we come to worship?? Am I worried about who the musicians are for the day, am I concerned that I may not like the music? Am I going to be upset if all of the furniture is not in it proper place? Am I concerned that someone might have my pew and I'll have to sit by someone I don't know? There are many things that can distract us and make us uneasy at church. But if we come looking for the good, if we come in love with a little joy in our hearts, it can be wonderfully contagious. We may find we will leave with a peace and joy that passes all understanding and that's what worship should be about. Where will this church be in 15 years? You and I today, the Body of Christ, have a huge impact on where CUMC will be.
I will never be able to express what CUMC has meant to me. The people of the church have been abundantly gracious to Anita Kay and I. I have been privileged to serve under good pastors who have guided me in my spiritual walk and allowed me into their space in ministry. To Pastor Cheryl and Pastor Mary for letting me work closely with them and I pray you are here for time to come. Thank you CUMC for putting up with me and supporting me.
With Sincere Appreciation, Ray



Weird Animals Q&A



We sat down with Vacation Bible School (VBS) director Kayla Minderman to get the scoop on this year’s VBS! If you haven’t already done so, be sure to register your child to attend this great week.  


Tell us about the theme for Vacation Bible School. The Vacation Bible School theme is “Weird Animals”. I picked it because it’s fun and talks about how God loves us no matter what, even if we’re “weird” and “different”. “Weird Animals” teaches kids that even when you feel left out, even when you’re different, even when you don’t understand, even when you do wrong, and even when you’re afraid… Jesus loves you! “Weird Animals” is about how no matter what we go through in life, Jesus will be there for us.

Are there going to be any animals at “Weird Animals”? Yes! We are going to meet a new animal every day, but I’m not telling what the five animals are!


When is VBS and who can attend? VBS is June 22-26, from 6-8pm. It’s open to all children ages 3-years-old through fifth grade.

Did I hear there are t-shirts and CDs too? Yes! Every child will be getting a t-shirt (free of charge), so make sure to include sizes on the registration form! Volunteers can purchase t-shirts for $6. Each family will also get a CD of the VBS songs to take home with them.


Do you have to register in advance for VBS? We prefer registration in advance, so we can order t-shirts for everyone. However, you can also register on-site the first night of VBS. Please know that we cannot guarantee t-shirts without advance registration.


What should kids wear to VBS? Whatever they’re comfortable wearing. They are welcome to wear their VBS t-shirt each night, if they want! It’s probably best to wear tennis shoes, because we’ll be playing games that involve running.


What does a typical evening of VBS look like? We will be singing and dancing, and we’ll have games, crafts, and snacks. During snack time, the children will also watch a short video about the animals for that day.


How can people get involved in VBS, especially if they don’t have kids attending? Volunteer! Come hang out with the kids, even if it’s just to play a game with them. We need volunteers for games, to help with snacks, and to teach the kids and lead them around to activities. You can volunteer even if you can’t make it every night. We will put you where you’re needed on the nights you’re available!


Is there anything people can donate to help out? We need food donations for snacks, and a list of items needed will be available this next Sunday (June 14). We are also still needed 2-liter soda bottles for crafts, and we need lots of them!


Why does VBS matter to you? I think it’s important for kids to learn about Jesus, and it’s a great week. My daughter is only four-years-old, so last year was her first year attending. We still sing Vacation Bible School songs from last year in the car! It really does touch the kids’ lives, and they get a lot out of it.





A Note from Pastor Cheryl

What makes the United Methodist Church different from other churches? John Wesley was a proponent of “being connected” as he met annually in the 1700s with the “traveling elders” and that sense of “being connected” has been foundational to United Methodists for holding one another accountable and for holding one another in supportive fellowship and love. As a United Methodist church, we are “connected” with other United Methodist churches to do more together than any of us could do alone and to support one another in ministry for God’s Kingdom.

“Annual Conference” is one of those ways we stay connected as each church in Indiana sends their pastors and an equal number of lay representatives to gather annually for worship, learning, fellowship, ordination and commissioning services and to do the legislative work of the conference. This year Pastor Cheryl, Pastor Mary, Galen Clodfelter and Dana Wyant represented CUMC in Indianapolis at the Indiana Annual Conference May 27-30. Sonnie Clodfelter and Doyle and Carolyn Ellis also attended as additional lay delegates. There is too much to tell you in a short article like this, but I will share with you three highlights.

First, one important action of the Indiana Annual Conference was to elect eight clergy and eight lay delegates to The United Methodist General Conference (held in Portland, Oregon in 2016). This is the governing body of the worldwide UMC and has ultimate legislative authority for the church and our Book of Discipline. For that reason, the delegates we select are very important and this year there was an emphasis on including some younger voices in the delegation. In addition, we elected eight clergy and eight lay delegates to the North Central Jurisdictional Conference (held in Peoria, Illinois in 2016) and among its most important responsibilities will be to elect new bishops for our jurisdiction. This matters to Indiana since our Bishop Mike Coyner will retire at the end of August, 2016 and a new bishop will lead us beginning September 1, 2016.

The other two highlights for me were worship experiences. We gathered for a Memorial Service to remember United Methodist pastors or spouses who died during the past year. The evening message was offered by Rev. Carver McGriff, 90-year-old retired and former pastor of St. Luke’s United Methodist Church in Indianapolis. Rev. McGriff said: “Grief is the gift that we give to those that we have loved and lost.” We grieve deeply because we have loved deeply and that is our heart-felt gift! On Saturday morning at the Community Prayer Breakfast, the keynote speakers were Ed and Paula Kassig, who are members of Epworth United Methodist Church in Indy and whose only son Peter Kassig was brutally killed by ISIS. They shared about the power of prayer that gave them support and comfort during those terrible months.  Knowing that others were praying for them gave them strength and Ed Kassig reminded us that our prayers do not need to be eloquent. He said his prayer is often: “Help me, God!”  

We are United Methodists. We are connected… to God and to each other! Thank you for your prayers as we served Community United Methodist Church on your behalf.